really move it changes.
Dr. N: Changes how?
S: Well … everything remains … formless … but when I am … gliding faster … I see I’m moving around inside a gigantic bowl-turned upside down. I don’t know where the rims of the bowl are, or even if any exist.
Dr. N: Then movement gives you the sense of a spherical spirit world?
S: Yes, but it’s only a feeling of… enclosed uniformity … when I am moving rapidly.
Dr. N: Why does rapid movement-your speed-give you the feeling of being in a bowl?
S: (long pause) It’s strange. Although everything appears to go on straight when my soul is drifting-that changes to … a feeling of roundness when I am moving fast on a line of contact.
Dr. N: What do you mean by a line of contact?
S: Towards a specific destination.
Dr. N: How does moving with speed on a given line of travel change your observational perceptions of the spirit world to a feeling it is round?
S: Because with speed the lines seem to .. bend. They curve in a more obvious direction for me and give me less freedom of movement.
Note: Other subjects, who are also disposed toward linear descriptions, speak of traveling along directional force lines which have the spatial properties of a grid system. One person called them “vibrational strings.”
Dr. N: By less freedom, do you mean less personal control?
S: Yes.
Dr. N: Can you more precisely describe the movement of your soul along these curving contact lines?
S: It’s just more purposeful-when my soul is being directed someplace on a line. It’s like I’m in a current of white water-only not as thick as water-because the current is lighter than air.
Dr. N: Then, in this spiritual atmosphere, you don’t have the sense of density such as in water?
S: No, I don’t, but what I am trying to say is I’m being carried along as if I were in a current underwater.
Dr. N: Why do you think this is so?
S: Well, it’s as if we are all swimming-being carried along-in a swift current which we can’t control … under somebody’s direction up and down from each other in space … with nothing solid around us.
Dr. N: Do you see other souls traveling in a purposeful way above and below you?
S: Yes, it’s as if we start in a stream and then all of us returning from death are pulled into a great river together.
Dr. N: When do the numbers of returning souls seem the highest to you?
S: When the rivers converge into … I can’t describe it
Dr. N: Please try.
S: (pause) We are gathered into … a sea … where all of us swirl around … in slow motion. Then, I feel as though I’m being pulled away to a small tributary again and it’s quieter … further from the thoughts of so many minds … going to the ones I know.
Dr. N: Later, in your normal travels as a soul, is it the same as being propelled around in streams and rivers as you have just described?
S: No, not at all. This is different. We are like salmon going up to spawn-returning home. Once we get there we are not pushed about this way. Then we can drift.
Dr. N: Who is doing the pushing while you are being taken home?
S: Higher entities. The ones in charge of our movements to get us home.
Dr. N: Entities such as your guide?
S: Above him, I think.
Dr. N: What else are you feeling at this moment?
S: Peace. There is such peace you never want to leave again.
Dr. N: Anything more?
S: Oh, I have some anticipation, too, while moving slowly with the energy current.
Dr. N: All right, now I want you to continue to move further along with the current of energy closer to the area where you are supposed to go. Look around carefully and tell me what you see.
S: I see … a variety of lights … in patches … separated from each other by … galleries …
Dr. N: By galleries, do you mean a series of enclosures?
S: Mmm … more like a long … corridor … bulging out in places … stretching out away from me into the distance.
Dr. N: And the lights?
S: They are people. The souls of people
Dr. N: Changes how?
S: Well … everything remains … formless … but when I am … gliding faster … I see I’m moving around inside a gigantic bowl-turned upside down. I don’t know where the rims of the bowl are, or even if any exist.
Dr. N: Then movement gives you the sense of a spherical spirit world?
S: Yes, but it’s only a feeling of… enclosed uniformity … when I am moving rapidly.
Dr. N: Why does rapid movement-your speed-give you the feeling of being in a bowl?
S: (long pause) It’s strange. Although everything appears to go on straight when my soul is drifting-that changes to … a feeling of roundness when I am moving fast on a line of contact.
Dr. N: What do you mean by a line of contact?
S: Towards a specific destination.
Dr. N: How does moving with speed on a given line of travel change your observational perceptions of the spirit world to a feeling it is round?
S: Because with speed the lines seem to .. bend. They curve in a more obvious direction for me and give me less freedom of movement.
Note: Other subjects, who are also disposed toward linear descriptions, speak of traveling along directional force lines which have the spatial properties of a grid system. One person called them “vibrational strings.”
Dr. N: By less freedom, do you mean less personal control?
S: Yes.
Dr. N: Can you more precisely describe the movement of your soul along these curving contact lines?
S: It’s just more purposeful-when my soul is being directed someplace on a line. It’s like I’m in a current of white water-only not as thick as water-because the current is lighter than air.
Dr. N: Then, in this spiritual atmosphere, you don’t have the sense of density such as in water?
S: No, I don’t, but what I am trying to say is I’m being carried along as if I were in a current underwater.
Dr. N: Why do you think this is so?
S: Well, it’s as if we are all swimming-being carried along-in a swift current which we can’t control … under somebody’s direction up and down from each other in space … with nothing solid around us.
Dr. N: Do you see other souls traveling in a purposeful way above and below you?
S: Yes, it’s as if we start in a stream and then all of us returning from death are pulled into a great river together.
Dr. N: When do the numbers of returning souls seem the highest to you?
S: When the rivers converge into … I can’t describe it
Dr. N: Please try.
S: (pause) We are gathered into … a sea … where all of us swirl around … in slow motion. Then, I feel as though I’m being pulled away to a small tributary again and it’s quieter … further from the thoughts of so many minds … going to the ones I know.
Dr. N: Later, in your normal travels as a soul, is it the same as being propelled around in streams and rivers as you have just described?
S: No, not at all. This is different. We are like salmon going up to spawn-returning home. Once we get there we are not pushed about this way. Then we can drift.
Dr. N: Who is doing the pushing while you are being taken home?
S: Higher entities. The ones in charge of our movements to get us home.
Dr. N: Entities such as your guide?
S: Above him, I think.
Dr. N: What else are you feeling at this moment?
S: Peace. There is such peace you never want to leave again.
Dr. N: Anything more?
S: Oh, I have some anticipation, too, while moving slowly with the energy current.
Dr. N: All right, now I want you to continue to move further along with the current of energy closer to the area where you are supposed to go. Look around carefully and tell me what you see.
S: I see … a variety of lights … in patches … separated from each other by … galleries …
Dr. N: By galleries, do you mean a series of enclosures?
S: Mmm … more like a long … corridor … bulging out in places … stretching out away from me into the distance.
Dr. N: And the lights?
S: They are people. The souls of people
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