murdered, and can you just tell the jury, again, about when that happened?
A: In 1987, probably towards the end of the summer.
Q: Did you have a conversation with Casso at all about Santora’s murder?
A: Yes. When I went up to Casso and told him that Frank was killed, he told me, jeez, I didn’t know that was our friend. He said, If I knew that, I could have stopped it.
Q: Was Santora killed alone or with someone else?
A: Was killed with Carmine Varriale.
Q: Did you know whether Carmine Varriale was a target of Casso’s?
A: Carmine Varriale was a target. Gaspipe was havingproblems with him all along. I don’t know if that’s the reason he got killed, but Frankie definitely wasn’t the target. Frankie just had bad luck by being with him.
Q: Did there come a time that you had a meeting with Mr. Eppolito?
A: In Mrs. Santora’s house. I would say, within a month. I went there to Frankie’s house, and I sat down in his dining room and with Louie at the table and Frankie’s wife went into another room, and Louie says, I’m pretty sure you know who I am, and I said, Yes, I know who you are. I have seen you on a few occasions. You’re Frankie’s cousin, and he said yes. And he asked me if I had a desire to continue the business that we were doing together.
Q: What did you take that to mean?
A: To work directly with Louie. Continue getting information.
Q: Does there come a time that you get contact information from Mr. Eppolito?
A: Yes. I got his home phone number.
Q: Did you give him any contact information?
A: My beeper number. And my daughter’s phone number in my house. Only to be used in an emergency. My daughter was not living at the house at that time.
Q: Did you recognize anybody outside after you left that meeting in Mrs. Santora’s?
A: Yes. I saw a gentleman sitting in his car like this on thepassenger side of the car, almost directly in the driveway. He had his head on his hand like this, and he was watching. I didn’t know him by name, but I recognized him as Louie’s partner, Steve Caracappa.
Q: After the discussion with Mr. Eppolito, did you speak to Casso?
A: About the four thousand, yes. He said, What do you think. I said, Well, so far they’ve been real good to you. He says, Yes, I agree with that. And let’s do it. Tell them if they want to do this, and we go forward on it, that they have to work exclusively for us. We don’t want them giving information to other guys in other families and possibly have a problem back from it which will eventually come back to us.
Q: Did you discuss methods of contacting one another?
A: When I would call Louie, I would always use the name Marco, and if I beeped, he had given me a beeper number for Steve, and I agreed to use my prefix in my home phone number, 259, and put that behind the beeper so he would know it was me. Louie would come to my house about ten o’clock at night. I would know he was coming. I would put on the porch light, and he would tap on my front window, and I would go and open the door, and him and I would meet in my house. I have met Louie on the Southern State Parkway. I met Louie on the Long Island Expressway. Louie had some form of an acquaintance with a lady who lived on Eighty-fourthStreet. I met him there a couple of times, and originally I met Steve with Louie at Perkins Pancake House in Staten Island, and Steve and I both agreed—it was in the parking lot—and we both agreed it wasn’t a good spot for us to be seen, because we could be seen together there, and I got in the car, and Steve took me to a cemetery in Staten Island, and then he took me to where his brother lived and where his mother lived, and it was on a block with a church and a school, and he says, When it meets both of our conveniences, I’ll meet you here and you beep your horn, and we’ll go to the cemetery and talk there. I also met Steve at his house. In the apartment in New York City.
Q: When Mr. Eppolito came to your house, was he with Mr. Caracappa or alone,
A: In 1987, probably towards the end of the summer.
Q: Did you have a conversation with Casso at all about Santora’s murder?
A: Yes. When I went up to Casso and told him that Frank was killed, he told me, jeez, I didn’t know that was our friend. He said, If I knew that, I could have stopped it.
Q: Was Santora killed alone or with someone else?
A: Was killed with Carmine Varriale.
Q: Did you know whether Carmine Varriale was a target of Casso’s?
A: Carmine Varriale was a target. Gaspipe was havingproblems with him all along. I don’t know if that’s the reason he got killed, but Frankie definitely wasn’t the target. Frankie just had bad luck by being with him.
Q: Did there come a time that you had a meeting with Mr. Eppolito?
A: In Mrs. Santora’s house. I would say, within a month. I went there to Frankie’s house, and I sat down in his dining room and with Louie at the table and Frankie’s wife went into another room, and Louie says, I’m pretty sure you know who I am, and I said, Yes, I know who you are. I have seen you on a few occasions. You’re Frankie’s cousin, and he said yes. And he asked me if I had a desire to continue the business that we were doing together.
Q: What did you take that to mean?
A: To work directly with Louie. Continue getting information.
Q: Does there come a time that you get contact information from Mr. Eppolito?
A: Yes. I got his home phone number.
Q: Did you give him any contact information?
A: My beeper number. And my daughter’s phone number in my house. Only to be used in an emergency. My daughter was not living at the house at that time.
Q: Did you recognize anybody outside after you left that meeting in Mrs. Santora’s?
A: Yes. I saw a gentleman sitting in his car like this on thepassenger side of the car, almost directly in the driveway. He had his head on his hand like this, and he was watching. I didn’t know him by name, but I recognized him as Louie’s partner, Steve Caracappa.
Q: After the discussion with Mr. Eppolito, did you speak to Casso?
A: About the four thousand, yes. He said, What do you think. I said, Well, so far they’ve been real good to you. He says, Yes, I agree with that. And let’s do it. Tell them if they want to do this, and we go forward on it, that they have to work exclusively for us. We don’t want them giving information to other guys in other families and possibly have a problem back from it which will eventually come back to us.
Q: Did you discuss methods of contacting one another?
A: When I would call Louie, I would always use the name Marco, and if I beeped, he had given me a beeper number for Steve, and I agreed to use my prefix in my home phone number, 259, and put that behind the beeper so he would know it was me. Louie would come to my house about ten o’clock at night. I would know he was coming. I would put on the porch light, and he would tap on my front window, and I would go and open the door, and him and I would meet in my house. I have met Louie on the Southern State Parkway. I met Louie on the Long Island Expressway. Louie had some form of an acquaintance with a lady who lived on Eighty-fourthStreet. I met him there a couple of times, and originally I met Steve with Louie at Perkins Pancake House in Staten Island, and Steve and I both agreed—it was in the parking lot—and we both agreed it wasn’t a good spot for us to be seen, because we could be seen together there, and I got in the car, and Steve took me to a cemetery in Staten Island, and then he took me to where his brother lived and where his mother lived, and it was on a block with a church and a school, and he says, When it meets both of our conveniences, I’ll meet you here and you beep your horn, and we’ll go to the cemetery and talk there. I also met Steve at his house. In the apartment in New York City.
Q: When Mr. Eppolito came to your house, was he with Mr. Caracappa or alone,
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